I had him for a few weeks and as I started playing online more and more just under DS this season I realized that he is terrible and gets hit around almost every time i use him. I sold him shortly after pulling 92 Luis Castillo, and then yesterday I pulled 98 Kluber, sold him too, and bought 98 Bumgarner. Quick 20k stub increase. But yes, Whitey Ford is kinda crappy and gets hit around alot. He's for me with a 1. Also has the most strikeouts on my rotation by a mile.
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Sadly hes the only pitcher i picked up that i had to sell very quickly. I have an era of just over 2 in general in ranked, but this card had an era of around 5 for me. Is this one of these cards that gets better in HoF? Because he's be abysmal for me in all-star. I remember that I faced him twice and destroyed that pitcher.
Still rocking a sub Definitely one of the more difficult pitchers to face off against. I only scored 1 run off him yesterday. I don't have this card but his wind up is deceptive as fuck and when he is on is hard to hit but if you can time him up, you can definitely rock this card. Cake Day. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. It's called "Whitey Ford.
I don't dock cheaters, FWIW. The game has penalties for cheating and if you are caught you get those penalties. MLB has decided those are the penalties and that is fine with me. I won't one-year boycott them either. You can throw a World Series but if you scuff a baseball, that keeps you out of the HoM?
This Whitey Ford card is sneaky good and for only 7k, he def gets the job done.
Y'all are crazy. It's the Hall of Merit, the pennants Whitey Ford won by scuffing the ball are real pennants. You can leave him off the ballot for one year, after that you have to vote based on his accomplishments, otherwise your ballot gets thrown out. Am I missing something here? By the way, with war credit I see Ford as 1 in Daryn, I've been with you on this point from day one until yesterday.
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So what, because he's still an obvious homer. But Rafael Palmeiro might not be, and not only does he have a positive test, he's got fingered in Canseco's book for doing them earlier in his career. Now I get that it's not proof he did it, but if I'm choosing between Tony Perez and Raffy Palmeiro as the last guy at first base that I think should be HOMed, should that information help me in my decision?
Or how should it?
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How about Mark McGwire? McGwire's awkward testimony and Canseco's allegations strongly suggest he used steroids. So do photographs which is true of Bonds too. Gaylord Perry, though never caught, publicly admits cheating for his whole career. He made a spectacle of it, an "open secret. Don Sutton and Tommy John is the same conundrum.
I know I'm creating a tempest in a teapot. Basically I'm searching for instruction or rationale. I think the whole Barry Bonds thing has me all scattered because up til now I've been able to say that it was fine if he did steroids because there wasn't MLB-approved proof.
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But I never really considered it in terms of his rank among LFs and how that kind of public information could effect my balloting. That's also my position, though I'm far more against steroid use than the spitball or any of the other trick deliveries and I'm glad they are clamping down on it, especially for health reasons. I will say that I will understand totally anybody giving a one-year boycott to Ford, Perry, McGwire, etc. I may choose to do so somewhere down the line on a case-by-case basis. The dust may have settled. I just don't feel compelled to make a rule for Whitey Ford so I know how to handle these other guys later on.
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Let it simmer. To be fair to Doc, why not though? If someone feels spitballs and steroids are equivalent on the cheating scale another discussion; I do feel compelled to point out steroids weren't technically against the rules until the last couple years , wouldn't it be inappropriate to ignore it for Ford because it's too early and hammer Perry and Palmeiro because you've come to a different conclusion when they're up?
Waiting for Perry is the wrong way to go about it.
As for me, I've already made up my mind to not dock for any of it, but for those who haven't settled on what they want to do, it's the appropriate moment. If someone feels spitballs and steroids are equivalent on the cheating scale wouldn't it be inappropriate to ignore it for Ford Michael that's exactly what I'm trying to say but in so many fewer words and with much less hot air. LOTS of pichers from the s - s threw illegal spitballs, emery balls, vaseline balls, cut balls, etc.
George Brett admits to using pine tar too far up on the handle all the time prior to the Pine Tar Bat incident. It's against the rules supposedly due to some benefit it gives the hitter, and since that's against the rules, are we going to not vote for George Brett?
I do feel compelled to point out steroids weren't technically against the rules until the last couple years , True, but there's no rule against killing your opponent either since murder, like steroids, is also illegal. This is careening off topic but Sure there are rules against that. There are rules against fighting and throwing at people's heads and I'm quite sure any form on violence against another player. On the other hand, if Barry Bonds takes a bat to Jeff Kent's head next time they cross paths on the field, I think it's safe to say a hefty suspension would be headed his way.
I do feel compelled to point out steroids weren't technically against the rules until the last couple years This isn't correct. Steroids became against the rules of baseball in the early 90s, just like spitballs were prohibited decades earlier. It wasn't until the past couple of years that a specific penalty was introduced for the use of steroids. That doesn't mean a penalty could not have been implemented prior to All that said, from a game point of view, to me it is irrelevant that Bonds would have been a worse hitter without steroids.
He took them and he knew what the penalties were basically non-existent. The penalties did not include a retroactive annulation of his statistics or accomplishments. Bonds accomplished what he accomplished. IMO, he is not only no different than Perry, he is no different than Williams or Ruth assuming they never cheated. Offensive linemen breach the rules of the game every game and often get caught several times a game breaching those rules.
They still make the Hall. Gordie Howe was the biggest rulebreaker in hockey lore. He still made the Hall. I don't think so. Intelligent minds will disagree. I'm not sure it is inconsistent with this project to do the MLEs Doc does above for the non-steroid Bonds. I won't be doing it, but I wouldn't be appalled if others do. At the present time, it's my belief that for the most part, we shouldn't get into issues of the rules and cheating. As was said above, it's MLB's business to enforce the rules and set penalties for infringing them.
Our concern is how much players contributed to their teams' success. I will, however, point out that there may be a distinction between doctoring the baseball with external substances and doctoring one's body with "performance-enhancing drugs. Here's why. Doctoring the baseball has been an available method of cheating throughout baseball history, with established though changing rules, rituals, and mechanisms of enforcement.
We are comparing pitchers who could legally scuff, moisten, or deface the baseball to pitchers who could do the same thing legally but their opponents couldn't to pitchers who broke the rules by doing the same thing.
https://enacbuisu.tk I think the only reasonable way to deal with all of these cases is to say that "there were rules" and not worry about how they changed or how exactly they were followed at any given time. Even though opponents and umpires try to stop this cheating, it has its own kind of recognition as a distinctive skill, not unlike the arts of not wasting time touching second base when turning the double play or learning how to apply tags so that it looks like you touched the player when actually you didn't.
I can't see penalizing Ford or Perry when comparing them either to their contemporaries or to pitchers from other eras.
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